Hopefully you got most of your EDP completed. We will be going back down to the lab tomorrow to complete them. Since we are doing this, you can work on your research projects once the EDP is completed. Do not forget that you must turn in your outline and citation rough draft tomorrow by the end of the hour.
Part of the EDP process is thinking about our futures. Collge or not, what type of career, etc. I want you to think about the following and respond:
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
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I think that the value of the EDP is that you think about your future today instead of waiting until tomorrow or next year. I think that this helps me think about my future and I do not think that it is forcing this issue now causes problems. I do think that it would be nice if my parents agreed with me whenever I want to go to a college visit. I do think that the process gets me thinking that if I do not follow the career path that it chose for me, then I will not be successful. I think that my post-high school plan is to go to college and major in something in the Information Technology field.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
honestly, i think the edp may be helpful, but is worthless. yeah, it helps you decide what kind of classes you should take, and how to prepare, but there is one fundamental problem i find. the edp gives you specific fields that you are supposed to go into. not the ones that you are passionate about. 2) the process is somewhat helpful, but also raises questions about grades, ability, and overall your desire to do what it suggests. 3) i dont think the process is very helpful, because it is basically communism; saying this is what you get and be happy with it. i want a career that i would be happy and passionate about. not some cliche redundant job. i plan on attending a 4 year college for some kind of degree involving either business/marketing, or something that involves engineering. lets hope it has nothing to do with the auto industry.
I think the value of the EDP is to be be goal oriented and realizing the value of planning ahead. Personally, usuing the EDP helps me to think about the things about college that I probably normally wouldn't. Things like what colleges have classes that I want to take and what kind of campus that I want to live on. I have
heard that if you write down your goals and visulize them, it is more likely you will achieve them because are you more aware of them. I defitonaly think that this is true because every single time I have written down a goal at school, or on my own at home, my goals have been achieved already, and the others will be later on in my life. :) This process does not pigeon hole me into thinking if I do not follow this career path I will not be successful it makes me realize more then anything how many options I do have career wise. My post- high school plan is to go to Michigan State and get my Masters Degree in Business. =]
-rachel duelooo.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
i think the edp is there to help you find out what you are intrested in and what you would like to do with your life after high school. As well as preparing you to secced at your goal. Yes i believe this process has made me thing about what i would like to do with my life. i dont think that i would not be successful. But i think i would have a lot more problems trying to find out what i liked and what i was good at with out it. After high school i plan on going to college. Im still not sure what one i would like to go to. But im pretty sure i have narrowed it down to two things i would like to study.
Cody Dykes
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
Plain and simple, i don't think EDP's work for allot of people. I don't the value of it is high because its not taken seriously. Its basically looked at like its just another assignment. I also think that it pushes allot at you like you have to choose what you want right now. I simply think that this is just a forcefulness process. Even if it was, it couldn't be crammed in a class period. I want to work with computers and repair them. But if that doesn't work, i wanna do something with computers for sure.
I think the value of the EDP is to give us a good idea of what fields we would be good with after high school. I think the whole EDP idea is very helpful for most kids. I believe that the whole process is a little flawed, though. It does help give you an idea as to what to do after high school, but I believe the best way to figure out what you want to do, is to get hands-on experience. The whole EDP process does kind of worry me though. It kind of rushes me into thinking about major life decisions. Altogether though, after I get out of high school, I want to attend a university majoring in culinary arts.
The value of the EDP is it helps you to see what careers are good for you. It also helps you to think about the future so by the time we graduate we will be prepared to get a job. I dont think that it would effect your choice of work. My post-school plan is look into different jobs that I would like. Then see what areas I would have to improve o and try to reach that goal. By graduation, I would be prepared to seek and get a job in a feild I like.
So therefor, the EDP is a good way to get success from students through highschool.
I think the main reson EDP's are done is becuase it helps prompt us what to do in our future and go down the right path foresay. I do not think that it causes problems in anyway because it is only getting me ahead for my future. I dont believe that if I dont follow this path I would not be sucessfull heck when most students go into college they change sometimes what they want to do anyways. My post high school and future plans have changed quite alot in the past few years. I originally wanted to be a meterologist and track storms but now I would rather go into some kindof video or even a new anchor or a weather man on TV. I really think the EDP will be helpfull to look back on in my life and see how interests change from year to year.
Scott Roteman
. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
(1) I dont really know what to think about the edp because yes it does help you figure out future but it is a waste of time because it only gives you your career corresponding to the question.(2) I think that it helps figure out your future because it makes you think about what you want to do.
(3)I dont think that what it chooses for me will make me be unsuccessful if I dont choose it. When if first started doing this thing back in 8th grade, it said my career would a a probation officer. That is not what I want to do. (4) I plan on going to college and going into a nursing program. Then after college getting out of michigan and moving to florida.
The issue of whether a child should take the time to look at choices of schools and careers at this time is a massive debate. While some may argue it is proficient for the child's well-being, it can also be argued that it is detrimental to limit the child to a set list. The entire process has good and bad aspects, however, the bad aspects such as wasted time, money and materiel outweigh the good dramatically.
To understand why the process is so negative in the fist place, one must first look at research done into a child's thinking process. It is often found that children wish to be what their parents are, or careers that they perceive as "cool". This list extends to those careers which the United States glorifies as "hero" careers such as law enforcement, fire-services and the military (Kardish, NP). There are also the careers which are expounded upon in other children-oriented things like toys. Barbie and Polly Pocket are often doctors, veterinarians or public safety officials (Barbies as an Influence, NP). There are also media-influences, again, military figures, race car drives, movie stars and pop- or rap-singers (Kardish, NP). If there is so much influence, both negative and positive, how then can children be expected to know what they want to do for a living?
One study done by Cambridge University says that kids can't be expected to know until much later in life (Career Planning, NP). According to the writer, "In reality, people frequently don't know what they want and psychology has proved it." (NP). So why do schools force children to complete pointless and redundant surveys?
The answer that several newspapers recently found is this: it makes the school look like they care. Whether they counselors do, or if it's just a job to them is debatable though (Career Planning,NP). According to another study, schools waste up to "40% of funding that could be used on other purposes for career planning, which [sic] kids change every years anyways" (NP). There is, therefore, no value in spending money on websites that offer "career planning" services. One such website, used by the Huron Valley School district in Oakland County, MI charges $550 dollars per "site". Each "site" according to the service-provider's website (careercruising.com) is "one physical location such as a school [ . . . ]" (Career Cruising, NP). Therefore, as this process, dubbed "EDP" is started in middle-school, and the district has, in-total, 8 different "sites", a total of 4400 USD is spent on a minimally-effective product.
The process, is so minimally effective because children constantly change their "ideal" career (Why Careers...,NP). Recently, in a high school called Dwight Morrow, the students are required to pick a four-year "major" and stick to fields revolving in that subject. This presents, as Kardish of the New York Times point out, a "narrow educational model with little useful education." (Kardish, 1). Another parent, at the school, commented that the school is going to get a lot of "I changed my mind." (2). The school, admits that they get a lot of "idealistic career [choices] such as Sports Management." which they admit isn't realistic (2). This rigid curriculum and ideals can negatively affect the child by keeping them in that "career goal" and making them feel obligated to stick to it (Why Careers..., NP).
Another aspect aside from finance, is the time taken away from education. The EDP process is a two-day or more affair that involves research and filing out redundant questionnaires that ask useless questions that are based on preference, not skill or talent in the sector. If 10 classes take two hours out of the school year in each school in an average district, that is about 160 hours used to fill out an ultimately useless and possibly detrimental form that land-locks a child into a career pathway and goal.
Then, there is materiel spent on the process. Positions such as career counselors are created and filled with comparatively large wages for "career counseling". As much as 60,000 can be spent each year for a secondary school guidance counselor and 50,000 for a junior-college counselor according to a recent study (Counselors, NP). An average teacher, on the other hand makes about 41,000 median wages according to a survey by salary.com (Teacher Wages, NP). This added 60,000 USD expenditure per school, per district is a large expense (about 480,000 USD per work-year) which can be used for other programs. In total, this is about 486,000 USD spent each year on career-searching which can go to other meaningful goals (Why Career...,NP).
This process, ultimately harmful to a child's well-being is a common practice across the nation and has been criticized widely for promoting "unrealistic goals in unrealistic careers that man not even be around 10 years from now" (Why Careers..., NP). Therefore, the process of "career cruising" is a huge waste of money on the districts' part as well as time which can be spent teaching and materiel such as paper and counselors who have jobs devoted to doing this. In this ultimately wasteful practice, I believe that schools could use their time more wisely instead in promoting useful classes and/or school updates. An average school could instead spend about that same amount could buy 350 new mid-range iMacs for one school each year. In conclusion, I think that this almost one-half million could be much more well-spent.
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For me, my post high-school plan is quite simple: get a job that suits me when I can find one. Get married, and support my family.
In case you didn't get what I was trying to say in my ad-hoc essay: 1 Waste of time
2 Causes problems
3 Pigeon holes us because they force it on us so rapidly and rigidly
4 Read above
I believe that the value of the EDP is to map out what you wanna do when you get older. It helps to get you on the right track for your future. It can also help you decide what you wanna do, if you still aren't sure. I think it helps you to focus on your future. It seems really soon but senior year is pretty close. So far, i think that the process pigeon doesn't make me think if i don't follow, i will not be successful. After high school i really want to attend a college with a good study in dance. I want to keep dance up because it has been a huge part of my life. I also want to take business class so one day i can own my own dance studio.
I think there is no value. There is no point because just this little thing wont help me decide what i do for a living. I also think forcing this issue causes stress on some. It is weird seeing something saying what colleges you can go to and what your gunna do for the rest of your life. For some it could make them think they HAVE to choose this path. But yhey really dont have to they can be xuccesful in many other ways besides that one. My post high school plan is to go to college and get a job and see where all of that takes me in my future.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
i think the edp is very important, and the value is also important. it think value is important because its about planning out our future. i feel that this process helps me think alot about my future. it makes me see and realize what i want to do and how to achieve it. i think it pules you into thinking alot because its your life its what your gana do for the rest of it. so it is very important to think about it. to be honist i really dont have a post highschool plan, it might be going to colage i really dont know yet.
i think that the EDP has the value to plan ahead. it really helps yourself organize fro the future. i really do think that it helps with the process of planning ahead. i think if i didn't do this i might not plan at all. my post high school plan is to go to college and apply myself the best i can. i plan on going to a four year college. im really not sure what i will major in though. i do like to design stuff so i thought about architecture.
I think the EDP does not help you with planning your future and career. Many of the questions they ask you dont match to any of the careers you want to go into. Also the choices they give you for possible careers arent any careers that interest you at all. The schools they provide for you arent compatible for the careers you want to go into. The career i want to go into after highschool is Nursing. I think this would be a good field for me and i think i would be very good at it. However the results from my EDP did not match with my career choice.
The EDP is a very important thing it helps you plan out your future. The value of the EDP is that it helps plan out your college future. This does make you think about your future because it helps you know what you want to major in and colleges for that major. Also it gives you a list of jobs that are best suited for you. It may make some people think that if you do not follow this career path then you will not be successful but that is not true for eveyone. My post high school plan is to go to collede get a good education and then get a good job. The EDP helps many people decide what they will do with their lives in the future.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
I think having an EDP is valuable so you can organize all of your information. It helps you keep in mind what you might do when your older, and what colleges you are intersted in. I think the doing the EDP this early isnt a bad thing. It is hard for me because I am not sure what I want to do yet. If you choose not to do your EDP that does not mean you wont be successful. My post high school plan is to get in to MSU. If I cant get in there then I would either go to Central, or Ferris, or Grand Valley. I am not sure on what kind of career I am interested in.
The value of our EDP is preparation and readiness. By completing our EDPs we are getting a look at what we should build our education and future around. The EDP helps us get an idea of what schools we should be looking at and what careers we should pursue. My post high school plan is to attend either the University of Michigan or Kettering or possibly Boston Architectural College. I am planning on getting my Phd in Architectural Engineering and maybe aueronautical engineering and mathematics. If I attend Kettering I will take advantage of their co-op program and make some money in the summer. After I get out of college I want to start my own architectural firm and become a very large corporation.
-Dick Nehring
To me, the EDP holds a decent amount of value; it allows me to look further into careers that I find myself interested in, and it gives me the ability to plan my future-out, albeit rather soon and incorrect mostly, in an organized way. The process does help me think about my future a great deal. Hell, even today when I was editing my classes for 12th grade on the Career Cruising website I had myself thinking, "Do I want to be a novelist/essayist/journalist or a psychologist or a music producer?" and things as such. I also enjoy that the EDP allows us to plan out our credits accordingly. I had no idea that I had five English and Social Studies credits; I'm well on my way to becoming what I wish to be.
I don't think that the process really pigeon holes you whatsoever. If you don't follow the career pathway that you've chosen in high school, then there may be a number of confounding variables as to why. Perhaps you had a change of heart, perhaps you found something more enjoyable, perhaps you were unable to achieve such pathway and instead chose a more suitable one? I do not think that the process pigeon holes me, at least, in any way.
My post-high school plan is to attend a university, preferably University of Michigan or Michigan State University, to attain a Masters of Fine Arts in Creative Writing and a Doctorate of Psychology.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
I think that at our age, it is hard for us to look ahead so far into the future as to college and starting a career. Doing th EDP's really helps us to start planning and getting our lives organized for the future and I think they are very helpful. Sometimes it is stressful to think about the future and how much we have on our plates right now, but once we get there it is all going to pay off. I don't think doing EDP's corners you into one specific career, because it isn't your life plan. These are just ideas as to certain fields and careers would suit your best for what you like to do. It does force you to think about what you you want to major in and do for your career, but I think it's a good thing that they got us started thinking about this young. My post high school plan is to go away to college and major in pre-med hopefully at Michigan or State. I am going to go to beauty school and get my license on the side of school so that I can work my way doing hair through college. Then go to med school and become a doctor!
I think the value of the EDP is to help you think what you are going to do for you future. To help you plan it out step by step. It helps you pick a college and your classes that you need. If you don’t know what you want you to you take a test and out of the question it help to pick jobs you might be good at. The process could go both ways. It could be helpful if you are honest what you pick. On there other hand it might be no if you don’t care and you just random pick to see what you get. I want to be vets teach. I am going to take a 4-year college.
- Christina Newman
i think EDPs are a good and bad thing. they are good because they can help to get a better understanding of what you want to be and what you need to do to make it happen. but they can also be bad because once you make it and base it around a certian career you might feel like that what you have to do. my post high school plan is very simple. it consists of graduating, going to MSU or another good vetrinary school, and then specializing in a certian type of animal. i would really like to be a dog vetrinarian but i have also put some time into specializing in exotic and endangered aniamls as well. many people tell me i should go into engineering or something like that because im smart but i want to be a vet and im not going to let anyone dissuade me from my goal
Tom Hall
I think that the EDP is very very helpfull to me. It shows me how many different careers are so similliar to my intrests which is very nice. I think that this process is extremely helpfull on helping me think of my future plans, and i do not feel that it forces me to do anything. I also do not feel the process is pigeon holing me into a certin path. After highschool i plan on going into college, and working on my planned path with some sort of history major. I hope that the EDP process can help me find some schools as i am clueless on this part. Hope i can get these goals rolling.
I think the value of the EDP is thati helps you set a path for what you want to do. If you want to go to college or just getting a job right after high school. The EDP test helps you learn more opions that you have after school. Or it helps you find out what you want to do if you do not want to go to college. I think the EDP test does help you learn what you want to do with your future. What do I want to do with my future is go to college and become a chef and one day have my own resturant.
1. What do you think the value of the EDP is? If you say there is none then back up with why.
2. Do you think that this process helps you think about your future or do you think that forcing this issue now causes problems for you?
3. Do you think the process pigeon holes you into thinking if you do not follow this career path you will not be successful?
4. What is your post- high school plan?
I think the value of the EDP is to open your eyes up to what you might want in the future. when i was a junior and i took the EDP it made me realize that there are many options out there for me. i think that the EDP helps me think about my future and also kinda complicates things also because it kinda stress' you out about the future and how you will succeed or you will not ( is the message i get from the EDP). i agree completely that if you dont follow this your might not succeed just due to the way things are said about the program. my post highschool plan would be just to graduate for petes sake and after graduation go to occ and get my core classes taken care of then go to baker or maybe central to go into Pshycologie.
-Lyns
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