Wednesday, October 8, 2008

Day 27

Thank you for indulging me in the watching of "Fiddler on the Roof." I truly hope that there was a clear understanding of the cultural aspects of the movie and how it fit in with the cultural unit.

So, Tevye allowed his two older daughters to choose their husbands. Why did he not allow his third daughter do the same when she wanted to marry the non-Jewish young man? What does this say about the difference between cultural shift vs. cultural change? Within your culture, do you have beliefs or traditions that cannot change for it may harm the culture as a whole?

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think he did not allow the third daughter to marry the non-jewish man because that was more extreme of a culture break. This shows that cultures canshift a little bit. But it is hard for them to fully change. For the girl to marry the non jew that would be to extreme in there culture. Yes in my culture we do not allow gay marriages(sorry kay.) This would be a drastict change and that would not be allowed to happen.

Anonymous said...

Tevye didn't let his daughter marry the man because he wasn't Jewish. It says in their bible that they need to stick to their own kind. There is a large difference between cultural shift and change, too. Shifting, for example, I believe would be something like women dancing with men. However, they must still follow certain guidelines. If they didn't, that would be a cultural change. My culture doesn't really have a lot of beliefs and customs, other than celebrating major holidays. I don't think there's really much I could do to harm my culture as a whole.

Anonymous said...

So, Tevye allowed his two older daughters to choose their husbands. Why did he not allow his third daughter do the same when she wanted to marry the non-Jewish young man? What does this say about the difference between cultural shift vs. cultural change? Within your culture, do you have beliefs or traditions that cannot change for it may harm the culture as a whole?

I think tevye dident allow his third daughter to marry a non-jewish man because it was getting taken too far. Cultural shift would be him excepting the other two daughters to marry and cultural change would have been them getting so use to them not having to follow their culture they feel as if they can do what ever they want. my family isent a very "cultural family" so i dont have really anything that i need to follow by as a young adult or when i grow older.

sorry i wasent at school today i dident feel well :(

-Lyns

Unknown said...

So, Tevye allowed his two older daughters to choose their husbands. Why did he not allow his third daughter do the same when she wanted to marry the non-Jewish young man? What does this say about the difference between cultural shift vs. cultural change? Within your culture, do you have beliefs or traditions that cannot change for it may harm the culture as a whole

tevye didnt let his daughter pick her husband, because 1) he is not jewish, while they are. i think it follows the same principle as you, they want their children to marry jewish, and raise jewish kids. they are not so open to, or use to change. this represents a cultural change, whereas his to first daughters, because he let his daughters pick, as long as they were fellow ews. but cultural change in the sense that her husband is a non jew, and doesnt follow hebrew traditions. i honestly feel that i dont have any traditions that would harm my culture if they were changed. because my culture, and therefore my community is so much more diverse and open minded than in the movie.

Anonymous said...

Cody Dykes

Cultural shift is TOTALLY diff than cultural change. A shift is keeping things but making slight changes. That would include things like the dancing thing and letting the couples choose. A change is what the third daughter did. She wanted to completely turn her back on the Jewish religion. I in the end she turned her back on everyone and got married in a Cristian church by a non Jew. As for my culture there are and there arnt things that can change.

ben nicolay said...

Why did he not allow his third daughter do the same when she wanted to marry the non-Jewish young man? What does this say about the difference between cultural shift vs. cultural change? Within your culture, do you have beliefs or traditions that cannot change for it may harm the culture as a whole?

I think that he did not allow the third daughter to marry because that was breaking a bigger tradition than the others two did. The other two married jewish people which made the father not as mad. Also, I think that the town was starting to judge him and think that he didnt have control of his daughters. By letting his daughters do what they want it showed that he wasnt the man of the house. It shows that the culural shift is within the culture. The cultural change is when you blend with others.

Nick Brouillard said...

Why Tevye did this could be for many reasons. The main reason is that the man was non Jewish and he does not want to turn his back on his what he believes in. What this says is that a cultural shift happens all the sudden and fast while change happens at a slow pace. One is the forth of July when we celebrate our independence because we would loose trust in our government.If we loose trust in our government then the whole culture would fall apart. This is the main tradition that would affect our culture as a whole

cody sulla said...

the reason i think he didn't allow his third daughter to marry was because he was not Jewish. You could tell my the tradition that that was way out of the rules. The first daughter and the second daughter married within the Jewish religion. the only thing the first and the second daughter did wrong was the guys they were getting married to chose the wife. i really don't think that my culture is a big part of what i do. i don't think it is possible to do anything wrong. even if i did know one would care. so i don't think it matters what happens.

Miranda Adams said...

He didnt allow his 3rd doughter to marrie a non-jewish guy becuase thats was brakeing more of the tradition. When he tells his 3rd doughter no it shows that its ok for the culture to shift a little bit. But its not ok for it to make such a drastick change in such sort amount of time. So when the girl wanted to marrie a non-jerwish man it would been a to big of a culture change. well my family is itailan so are family is very terditional. But its also very open to change.

Chelsea Gray said...

Tevye started to change alot of cultural ideas. He allowed his two other daughters to marry who they wanted too. But, when it came for his third daughter to marry, he couldn't stand for it. It was mostly because they were from two seperate beliefs. Tevye wanted to keep the family traditions alive still. Cultural shift was look down upon still after all the cultural change. Within my culture, i really don't have traditions that can't change.

alissa welling said...

I think that he didnt let the third daughter because he wasnt jewish. The first two daughters were in love, but were still marrying within their religion. The third daughter completely broke the rule when she married out of her religion cause that is the worst that you can do. It is totally forbidden to them. This says that in cultural change some things can change for the better because traditions can be broken. But when the third daughter married out of her religion that was more of a cultural shift because it wasnt breaking a tradition it was pretty much a sin to them. Theres nothing really in my culture that could do harm if done.

Alex V said...

He let his two other daudhter pick who they want to marry. Because they were both jewish. The reason why he did not let his third daughter marry who she pleased is becasue he was not jewish. And just because of that he would not allow this wedding ever happen. It is one tradition that tevey would not brake. I think a cultural shift would be when tevye lets his other daughters pick who they marry as long as they are jewish. And a cultural change would be if tevye would allow his daughter to marry a non jewish man. I do not know of any tradition or belief that we have that canot be broken.

Anonymous said...

Well, I think that Tevye had such a big problem with his daughter wanting to marry a Christian because of the taboos surrounding it in the the eyes of Tevye and the others in the shtetl of Anatevka. This really shows how deep-rooted their traditions are and how careful the townspeople are to make sure that their traditions stay alive through practicing them, and not just reading the Tanakh. However, it could also be argued that it was Tevye's intolerance and/or unwillingness to make an attempt to understand another faith that made him refuse Chavah's marriage to Fyedka. This also sheds light on the difference between cultural shift and cultural change. Shifts occur when small changes are made, such as Tzietel's marriage to Motel being agreed upon between them instead of going through the matchmaker, Yente, and her decision of Lazar Wolf. A cultural change is an abrupt disruption or suddenly new decision or aspect, as Chavah's was when she married Christian instead of another Jew.

Within my culture, that of my family, we don't have really to many beliefs or traditions that would rip us apart if they changed. My parents, after their failed attempt at hammering me with religion, decided that it is best for us to all have our own beliefs and ways, so we all do something different. One tradition, though, is that we all eat at least one meal together. If that changed, the worst that would happen is we would all need to deal with my mom's whining.

Cole H. said...

I believe that he didnt allow his daughter to marry the Non-Jewish man because she had gone to far. That means that if he did allow her, then it would be considered going against his religion. Also, another point would be that she is going against her religion too. What it says about cultural shift vs. cultural change is that it is easy for a shift becasuse it is coinciding with what they believe. On the other hand, a cultural change completly differentiates what they believe in. It is a change, most changes in life dont come easy. I do not have any beliefs or traditions that I can think of.

ScOtW29 said...

So, Tevye allowed his two older daughters to choose their husbands. Why did he not allow his third daughter do the same when she wanted to marry the non-Jewish young man? What does this say about the difference between cultural shift vs. cultural change? Within your culture, do you have beliefs or traditions that cannot change for it may harm the culture as a whole?

The reason Tevye gave his blessing to his two oldest daughter was because they were marrying people with the same religion. He did not allow his daughter to marry the man because he was not jewish. The reason for this is because marrying someone that is not jewish goes against their religion. Tevye obviously cares a lot about his religion. In my culture I cannot think of anything that cannot change because it would harm the culture as a whole. Cultural change and shift are a little bit different I think. I think change means going against your religion and completely changing what you beleive in. Cultural shift is just a slight adjustment.

Alyssa said...

I think Tevye had such a hard time with the fact that his daughter even imagined marrying somone that wasn't Jewish. It was such a custom in their culture to only marry within their Jewish religion, it was completely unheard of to him not to. For his other daughter; it was tough for him to let them marry men that they were actually in love with, and were not being matched up with. But that was only a slight cultural shift because they were both Jewish. The other daughter who wanted to marry the non jew, was creating a cultural change because that was completely forbidden in his eyes. Which was also seen as more of a sin, rather than just something that usually was not allowed or accepted like marrying without being matched up. In my family culture, religion is important, so I would think that if I ever stopped being a Christian or stopped believing in God, it would hurt my family culture as a whole.

Unknown said...

I think that Tevye didn't grant his third daughter the right of choice because he would feel a tremendous amount of guilt. It would be too much of a cultural change for him, what with already allowing his first two daughters that right. The difference between a cultural shift and a cultural change is that a cultural shift is simply a little bit of change, whereas a cultural change is a full-on change, like the name suggests. In my culture, I really have no traditions or believe that cannot change.

Unknown said...

I think that Tevye didn't grant his third daughter the right of choice because he would feel a tremendous amount of guilt. It would be too much of a cultural change for him, what with already allowing his first two daughters that right. The difference between a cultural shift and a cultural change is that a cultural shift is simply a little bit of change, whereas a cultural change is a full-on change, like the name suggests. In my culture, I really have no traditions or believe that cannot change.

Anonymous said...

I think Tevye did not allow his third daughter to pick her husband, even though he let his two older daughters to choose their own there is a traditional reason why he did so. The reason is becuase the third daughter wanted to marry a non-Jewish man which would be completly changing the cultral aspect of the family. Marry the non-Jewish man would not follow the pattern of keeping the Jewish community growing and alive. The difference between cultral shift vs. cultral change is that shifting is only moving around the particular culture a little bit. For example what Tevye's two oldest daughters did, by marry Jewish men, but not not matched by the matchmaker. On the other end is cultral change, which is completely changing the certain culture's ways. For example, the third daughter who wanted to marry outside the Jewish culture. Within my culture not being Christian would completely change my culture because believing God and following him is a big part of my culture.

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