For this evening:
Jack encourages his followers to dance and chant, “Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!” In your opinion, what is the purpose of the dancing and chanting? To overcome fear? Secure Jack’s position as chief? Something else? If you were on the island who would have you supported Ralph or Jack and why?
60 comments:
I think that the purpose of this chanting is their idea of being savages. Thus far through the book the boys have developed certain rituals,if you will,that portray them as savages. For example, when Jack paints his face he feels like a different person than when he has no face paint on. I believe this chanting is to overcome fear. By chanting this, the boys make themselves think they are doing something against this evil thing they all fight inside. It makes them think differently and sometimes do things they don't mean to do. If I was living on the island I would have supported Jack. Although it may not be the best choice I think I would put food and protection in front of everything else because I would be so desperate. I may even neglect the signal fire that Ralph speaks so importantly of because of my hunger and loss of hope.
In my opinion, I think the purpose of the dancing and chanting is to help secure Jack's position as chief. If Jack can make the other boys see that they can have fun when Jack is ruling, then the boys will want him to stay chief. Once Jack and the other boys put on their "masks" they don't think about being there normal rational selfs, they just think about the kill and how they are having fun. If Jack can control the boys in such a way, that helps secure his place as chief. If I were on the island, I would have definitely supported Ralph. There are many reasons why I would support Ralph over Jack. For example, Ralph's main desire was to get rescued while Jack just wanted to hunt. If I were on the island I would be thinking more about getting rescued than hunting. Also, I don't think it would be right to put face paint on and run around like savages. People should be more concerned with staying alive than running around and acting foolish. People need to realize that there is a time for fun and games, but also a time for being serious.
Becca Need
3rd Hour
When Jack chants “Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!” I think he is doing if for a kind of self confiednece. I think this because they are trying to over come the fear of the beast and in doing that they need self confiedence. I also think it makes Jack feel secure as cheif because the tribe is following him and chanting after. If I was on the island Iwold have supported Ralph. My reason for this is because I think Jack is crazy. Ralph is a way more sensable person. I personally would be scared to support jack.
3rd
I think that the purpose of chanting and dancing is to show power in the group. Singing and chanting gives the boys a sense of connection with the other boys, kind of like a family. The boys don't have their family anymore, so any kind of connection to a family makes them more comfortable on the island. The chanting shows their power over the pig, and in some ways over Ralph's leadership. The chanting makes the kill even more thrilling, because they have the power to take the life away from another living being. The more time they spend on the island, the more barbaric they become, and the chanting also represents this. The chanting and dancing shows power over Ralph because the idea was Jack's. Each time the boys do this, they are securing Jack's leadership more and more. Chanting and singing together is honoring Jack by following what he demands. If I were on the island, I would want to go with Jack, because it would be more fun, but I would have supported Ralph. My main concern would be to get off the island, and while what Jack is doing would be fun, it would get old. I would much rather be saved then have fun and stay on the island forever.
I think that the purpose of the chanting is to get them excited about it. To get rid of there fears. Making them have fun wtih it. If i was on the island i would be following Ralph. I think he is a much better leader. He is focused on getting rescued unlike Jack who just wants to have fun. Ralph has more structure in the way he leads. I thik he knows more what hes doing then Jack. I think i would have moe of a chance to survive and be rescued if i followed Ralph.
KAtlyn Twigg 2nd HOur
I believe that the chanting is their way of overcoming fear. I think that when they chant as a group it gets them all fired up. The chanting makes them feel like they are one big group of people that cant be stopped. They do this to make themselves not think of the beast, and how scary it is. I think if I were on the island I would support Jack over Ralph. I only say this because Jack proves that he can hunt, and that he can get the others food. I think that I would be so desperate for the food that I would not really think about being rescued. I think that I would think of it as a lost cause.
In my opinion the chant gave Jack more power. He made it a group ritual as proof that he was the chief (leader). A crowd tends to have more power than an individual person. Most of the other boys joined Jack's group to feel more secure, have food, and be more secure. The chant was part of Jack getting the group fired up. An example would be cheering at a football game; it get's the team fired up and you get caught up in the excitement. If I were on the island I would have supported Ralph. We have choices in life and if we don't live by what we believe is right; life is not worth living. Ralph was trying to be a good leader and if he had the support of the others survival would have been a lot easier. Jack was a jerk and I can't see myself following someone that had no morals at all.
I believe that jack tells the others to “Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!” because he is trying to make a point that you should be who you want to be on the island. What i mean by that is that earlier in the book Jack puts on war paint and i think that the war paint that Jack puts on signifys to the rest of the group that whenever you have this paint on, then you can be whoever you want to be. When Jack put the war paint on i think that he gained trust from the whole group except Ralph, and Piggy becasue finally Ralph and Piggy are getting along and they are on the same page. If i were on the island i would support Ralph because he and Piggy are the only ones left on the island that are still sane. Another reason is that Ralph still is the oldest and he seems to still be making good descions as the leader of the group. The main reasons why i wouldnt want Jack as the leader is because he just doesnt give a shit about the rest of the group anymore, why does Jack think he should be the leader if he dont give a shit about anything anymore??? One final reason why Jack shouldnt lead the group is simply because he hasnt done much to help the rest of the people on the island.
Will Michaels 2nd hour
I think the chanting isn't really about overcoming fear. I think they chant because they think it is cool, fun, and it allows them to brag about themselves. It is also a way to secure Jack as chief and appeal to the others. Jack knows that if the others like him more than Ralph, he can become leader and make everyone do what he wants. But I would also want to hunt for food. If I could I would suggest to Jack the making of bows for hunting because it is safer than using spears. If I was one the island I would support Ralph. I would support Ralph because I want to be rescued and get out of there as soon as possible.
The purpose of the dancing and chanting is to represent their identity. The savages think of themselves as the guys who do the dirty work. In a way, it helps them overcome fear by almost becoming blood drunk. Killing another living thing gives the hunters an adrenaline rush. If I was on the island, I would support Jack. I would like to support Ralph because ralph is a likeable person, although jack has the hunters and gets a good supply of meat. Jacks a dick who will do whatever it takes to live, which why I would join him. He steals from the other tribe and has that mindset of only one of the tribes is going to survive, so hes going to do whatever it takes to live. Ralph is the better leader, but he doesnt have the drive that jack has, which in the end I think will be the reason why Jack survives and Ralph doesnt.
deets
To me the idea of the dance and chanting was to secure Jacks position as chief. I think he was really proud of killing pigs and wanted to show everyone how strong he was. Jacks seems to challenge Ralph by showing the group that he can kill pigs and be able to feed the group. If I was on the island I would of supported Ralph. Although Jack seems to be a lot stronger then Ralph in a physical sense Ralph has more brains. I feel like Ralph would have more of a chance of getting me off the island then Jack because Jack is only concerned with hunting. He shows no real concern of ever getting off the island. Ralph was very upset when Jack and the boys left the fire to go hunt, when there was a ship that could of seen the smoke. That shows a lack of responsibility and leadership in Jack, he is not handling what needs to be handled at the moment.
Taylor Dieck
3rd hr.
I think the purpose of them chanting is for courage. They do it together, when they see each other doing it they get courage, they feel like they can do anything. When they do this (so far) they have been victorious. Whether it be killing the beast, Simon, or a boar. I personally think the chanting and dancing is a bit tribal and barbaric. Okay, it's very tribal and barbaric. I would definitely stick with Ralph for moral reasons, but for survivability I would have to join Jack. Jacks tribe so far is going a lot better than Ralph's. However, all empires will eventually fall.
I think there are two purposes for the chanting. One is the thought of them being savages. They have lived in Britain where they must be proper and well behaved. They have never got to be the bad kids inside themselves. The main reason I think Jack starts this is to feel more like the leader. He might be thinking that if they do as he does, they are listening to him. If they chant what he says they will begin to listen to everything he says. His chanting makes them like him more becasue they feel more free. Therefore they will listen to him as leader. If I were on the island i would listen to Ralph. Im not just saying this to seem better. Ralph shows more concern for the other boys. He is also more concerned with rescue and survival not being savages and adapting to the island. He knows what he wants and isnt going to let fun or chanting prevent him from rescue or living. He also has more of a democracy. He listens to the other boys and uses thier ideas. Jack only listens to himself.
Mikki Nosek
In my opinion, I think the purpose of the dancing and chanting is to help secure Jack's position as chief. He made it a group ritual as proof that he was the leader now.If jack can make the other boys see that they can have fun when he is leader the boys will want him as the leader. the chanting helps them overcome there fear.If I were on the island, I would have supported Ralph. The reason for this is because ralph is focused on being rescued and jack wants to have fun. I wouldnt want to be on that island for the rest of my short life.
I think that it's a mixture of both of these. For the sake of the boys, the chanting and dancing released their fear. However, for Jack it was to get people to follow him and get them rialed up. Jack used that it would release their fear in order to get him chief. When he started the chants and dancing the others felt it was leadership. It also made the boys feel more protected by Jack. If I was deserted on an island I would do anything in my power to get off. Ralph's whole leadership was based off getting rescued so I would support him. However, I must addmit that if I lost all hope I may resort to Jack's tribe. I'd have to be at completely rock bottom though.
Kristen Pauly
2nd hr.
The purpose of dancing and chanting is to come together as a group. With all of the boys doing the same thing, all of the boys ganging up on one thing, or person it unifies them. and there is strength in numbers. Having that said it is also a way to overcome fear, because next to a bunch of other guys you feel more secure. If i was on the Island i definitely would have sided with Ralph. Although i would want to go with Jack, because jacks world is more fun and appealing. But Ralph is a true leader, he is fair and knows what is important. Like the fire Ralph knows they need the fire for chances of being rescued while all Jack cares about is the fun of things like hunting. Even though Jack's world seems like a lot less work and more fun i would have stayed with Ralph. Jacks a ass anyways.
I think it was to secure his postition as the leader. Jack was trying to advertise that he was going to have fun. Thats what he thought would get him the power. If he told everyone that they would have more fun in his tribe than in ralphs tribe, then they would choose him over Ralph. So, dancing and chanting is just another way for them to have fun. Jumping around and re-enacting killing a pig was fun for them, and it was a strong pull factor into Jacks tribe.
I think the purpose of this chanting is to get everyone motivated and build up power. Having a dance and a chant really gets everybody involved and focused in on what they're doing. I guess this could secure Jack's position as chief by giving him more power over everyone and having the capability to manipulate their minds a little bit. Having a goal in the chant really helps to get put everyone in the mood and unify the group. I feel that this is a little violent and would support Ralph if I was on the island. Jack is a dictator and Ralph lets everyone have a say in things. He is rational while Jack is violent and only thinking about the kill and getting more power.
I think the reason for jack making every one dance and chant around is because it gets them out of their element. It causes the boys to feel really free of everything from the island and their worries. They have the chance to feel like real kids again. They chant and say, “Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!” because they want to feel strong when they are at their strongest point. When the boys dance and chant their chant, they want to make it come all together, feeling strong and free of worry so then when they have to defeat the “beats” they won’t have to be over come by fear and be completely ready to fight. If I were to be put trapped on the same island with the boys, I would side with Ralph. I know that thinking before you act and discussing what you do before you do it is the right thing to do. On the other hand, I don’t know how I would react once I was on the island for as long as the boys. If all the boys feel down to the want of the dancing and chanting, along with following Jack, I don’t know how I would react. If I could choose, I would choose to be with Ralph. The kind of democratic values they uphold is the kind of environment I would want to be in.
Lauren Beattie
3rd Hour
I think that the reason for the chanting was to secure Jack position as chief. If jack can make the other boys do something he wants and make them have fun that he is getting his way over Ralph. Because Ralph wants order and to get rescued Jack on the other hand wants to have fun and says if we get rescued we get rescued if not then we don’t. He doesn’t really care much to get rescued. I think the chanting was all so a way to “scare” off the beast, to show the beast that they aren’t afraid of him. If I were on the island I would have followed Jack theres not a very high chance that we would ever get off the island. I would want to have fun and find food rather than keep the signal fire going. Ya Jack’s a little crazy but I think I would rather make the most of my life if we were to never get off the island.
I think that the dancing and chanting is in some way to pump the boys up. By having them dance and chant the boys will have more desire to kill the beast because they will be more excited. If I was on the island I would support Ralph. Jack has good ideas and works hard, but hes more of a dictator. Ralph on the other hand, lets other people express their opinions. Also Ralph is dedicated to getting rescued, where Jack doesn't care about being rescued any more and he just wants to hunt and be in control. Personally, I don't think either are very good leaders, but if I had to choose a side I would pick Ralph.
Hannah Aittama
2nd Hour
In my opinion, the purpose of dancing and chanting is to help his self esteem. Why? In the beginning of the book, everyone voted Ralph chief, and not Jack. To me, Jack seems like the type of person that has to be in control, and likes to control people. Jack hated the fact that Ralph was chief, and that Ralph we'll always have that over him. This brings me back how the chanting and dancing is to re-insure Jack that this is his tribe now, he is in control. If he yells jump, they'll yell back how high? The boys of his tribe will do anything for him, and Jack loves that. If I were on the island, I would have supported Ralph for various reasons. First being, that Ralph was more of a democracy. If you had something to say, you will be heard. Secondly, Ralph was all about being rescued. Being rescued, was his main concern. Jack on the other hand was focused on hunting and hunting only. Although they had better food, hunting was all Jack cared about. I would have just wanted to get rescued and go home. Lastly, Jack and his tribe were literally acting like savages. I wouldn't want to act like that, regardless if there's no adult's around. They murdered young Simon, he just came to tell everyone that the beast, was the fear inside of themselves. That just isn't something I would want to be apart of, with or without the better food.
Alanna Nagi
2nd hour
When Jack dances and chants I think the purpose is to help secure his position as cheif. I think if the boys seen that he could have fun, then the other boys would like him more as cheif. By him starting to dance and chant it causes the boys to feel relaxed and not worry about being stranded on the island. This proved to the boys that they could find food to survive. If I was on the island I would have supported Ralph because Jack just seems like he tries to feed off everyone. Ralph also seems to care about everyone, and caring about getting off the island. He doesn't just care about hunting. My main concern would be to get rescued. I would be just like Ralph and always worry about the fire going out.
Katlin Gotshaw
3rd Hour.
I think the reason for chants is to bring up hope and celebrate there victory. So far the boys are very tired, hungry and scared. They would act like this to try and show they are superb to the animals on this island. I think this could also be a part of Jack too. Jack is a hunter and he may spread his ways to the others. Maybe the others want to mimic his leadership ways. This would kinda be like a fad in school. If I was to follow one of the two it would be Jack. He has more of a survival way of life. Without proper food you will die. At least with him we would always have good food.
I think the purpose of that chant was for encouragement to become savages. When they are having fun while doing something the kids might think is scary or savage, such as killing pigs or being jerks, saying this chant makes them think everythings ok. It gives Jack a power boost as well. Since he started this chant, it gives the other boys the motavation to want to come in and have fun with Jack and his hunters. This is another way to overcome fear. As you can see, this quote has many meanings behind it. If I were on the island I would have supported Ralph. Even if it may have looked like Jack and the others were having fun, I would know that isn't going to get us rescued and I wouldnt want to lose being civil.
In my opinion, the purpose of dancing and chanting is that they want to feel like there as one. Everything they say is the same, their dance is the same. They want to be a big group thinking the same thing and acting the same way. I'm sure Jack does this so he has complete and total control over them. In the big picture, their all acting like Jack. I would support Ralph, because I would want to be rescued. Even though, honestly, I think I would get caught up in the fun that Jack portrays. Also Jack has food and I'm sure that would win anyones attention when their starving.
When the dancing and chanting is being done about the Beast, I feel this is being done to give enthusiasm to all of the kids and to over come there fears. This type of thing is always done in my life to over come things such as in hockey when we are versing a good team, we dont want to hear that the team is good and is going to kick our ass, we want to hear coaches and other players sayin, "ya come on these guys aint good, lets take it to em and beat there ass", or another way of saying it is motivating them. Any example of this is also called putting that person or thing down were they come acrossed as not as decieving as you think. That is why i feel they do that to get those fears out of the kids minds and let them know that he is not as bad as you think and we can take him. Personally i feel Jack doing this is a plus to securing his position because it is showing leadership and giving confidence to all others. I would have to say though, if i were on the island, i would personally want Ralph to remain leader because he showed a sense of leadership needed and that is leting everyone have imput and be able to take good charge and set down plans for the hunts, shelter, and all other survival things needed.
conman
In my opinion, the dancing and chanting was a little bit of both. I think they dance and chant to secure that they are savages. Also, because Jack wanted to secure his position and let everyone know that he is leader now. I think they also dance and chant to overcome fear. They paint their faces and become different people, to make themselves believe they are doing something against evil. If i were on the island, i would have supported Ralph. Yes, food and hunting is important to survive, but so is establishing rules and following them. Because without that, things get chaotic and very hard to survive.
When Jack begins his chanting, I think its a way to pump up everybody to get over the fear of killing something. But also with that adrenaline rush comes the savagry, the intensness, the ability to subconciously kill something without regret. If I lived on the Island, I would have to side with Jack. Mostly because at this point in the story they controll the fire making ability, giving them a better chance of attracting rescue. But even though I would stay with Jack I do not approve of some of his savegry behavior. Like when Simon runs out of the trees towards the boys and every one just attacks immediately. If they would have taken the oppurtunity to jsut take a step back and realize who it was things could be different.
I think by making the boys chant and dance gets them pumped up. Just like playing a sport, if someone pumps you up before a game you’re going to go out and play more confident than if you just go out and play. Also it makes jack look very brave, it makes him seem superior. If I was on the island I couldn’t truthfully tell you who I would follow. I would appeal to Ralph because he is nice and actually wants to get off the island; he puts forward the effort to stay safe. Jack on the other hand has no concept of safety; all he cares about is hunting. He lets the fire out and he also doesn’t even provide shelter. The only reason I may go towards Jack is that he makes things fun and I don’t like to be serious all the time so I may appeal to him more.
I think that purpose of the dancing and chanting is mainly for Jack. He seems insecure about his leadership compared to Ralph, so I think by dancing and chanting revs up the group and makes Jack feel more powerful. Whenever the group is rowdy and excited about something, such as when they are dancing around shouting, Jack seems to be more at ease. He likes to have the boys act on their emotions rather than logic most of the time, because if they thought about what they were doing, they would realize how wrong it was. I would have supported Ralph if I were on the island. Although Jack had the meat, I just would not be able to live with myself and do the things Jack's group were doing. Ralph thinks about things and knows the difference between right and wrong, and even if we were outnumbered like on the island, I would still rather try to live without killing others on the island. Ralph actually seemed to prove himself as the best for cheif on the island by the end of the book.
I think that Jack makes his followers chant because if they all join in it makes them feel more a part of the group. As they chant, it just shows Jack's superiority over them. I believe it does help secure Jack's position as chief because as they all fall into the chaos, they dont realize it, but Jack is getting them to do what he says. If I were on the island, I would definitely be on Ralph's side. Ralph is just an overall more secure, well-rounded leader. Jack is just like a king that sits on his throne and makes you do everything for him. Ralph actually gives the other people a little bit of a say in things. I like living in the U.S. and having my freedoms and rights, therefore I know I would prefer Ralph as a leader to Jack.
The purpose of the chanting and dancing is to overcome the beast. Chanting and dancing is considered a ritual before hunting the beast for the characters on the island. Doing this makes the characters feel more confident about hunting the beast rather then being afraid of it. Jack's position as the chief is different in some aspects, but i agree that Ralph's more of a leader in the way that he handles everyone better. Jack only cares about himself and doesn't look at others problems. Ralph cares for the safety of everyone not just himself, and he wants to get everyone off the island. I think that Ralph should continue to lead the group and take back the task of chief because everyones recused depends on it.
When Jack and his savages say this phrase, I think they are only trying to unify themselves as one tribe. It might have a bit to do with overcoming fear and scaring the beast off, but I think the main reason is because they are a tribe and they all want to be in it together. Jack isn't necessarily the one who is telling his tribe to do this, so I don;t think it really has anything to do with him being the chief. If I were on the island I think I would have supported Ralph because he listens to what people have to say. However, I would not disagree with Jack's approach. After all, there needs to be food for eveyone. I think Ralph is wanting the rescue more and that would want to be my first priority. Jack is also about more fun a dn games and Ralph is more serious. Overall, I think I would stay with Ralph so I could be heard.
Jack encourages his followers to dance and chant, “Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!” In your opinion, what is the purpose of the dancing and chanting? To overcome fear? Secure Jack’s position as chief? Something else? If you were on the island who would have you supported Ralph or Jack and why?
There are many reasons that Jack wants to have them chant these lines. Jack is trying to release their fear and whatever is holding them back. The moe hardcore yu push yourself to do something, the more you will get into it. Next, this is helping his leadership. By doing this he is rallying a group of people behind him. I believe if i was on the island i would have joined Jack. It may have been a foolish choice but the hunting, intenseness, and jacks ways would appeal tpo me. I wouldnt like being on the island with rules. I would try to maker the most of a situation if i was stranded.
There are many purposes to dancing and chanting. I think it is because it help Jack keep his position as leader. When Jack is doing fun things the others on te island look up to him more. I think that chanting and dancing to help the others self confidence. Helping them forget about their fears. Overcoming the beast was a big things for the people on the island. I think Jack is usng dancing and chanting to keep everyone else wanting him for the leader position.
Jake F 2nd hour
“Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!”. by this they mean kill 5the beast but i think its a mental thing as well. its makes them feel strong and unafraid. and of course jack does want to secure his position as chief.If i were on the island i would support ralph cause hes a better leader he listens, hes nice ,understand. as for jack. he is turning into a barbarian hes always off hunting trying to get the beast which would be more fun but harder to survive
I think the purpose of the chanting and dancing is to feel like one unit again. For the time being they are seperated into two groups, and doing something together makes then feel like one again, even if its just for the time being. I also think it had to do with the excitement. Everyone was getting cought up in the dancing and that could have been a factor making them want to join. In my opinion it wasnt really to overcome fear, unless it was the fear of permanently seperating the tribe. Also, i dont think it was to secure jacks position as cheif because to him he has already kind of lost the position. Its something he could still get back, but not just by joining a dance. If i were on the island i think i would support Ralph. But thats based on veiwing the situations from the outside. In my opinion Ralph is the better fit leader. Everything he's been doing has been for the good of the group. whereas jack is power hungry and wants control. Overall, i just see ralph as the better leader.
I think the chant is their way of feeling or being united, because it shows that they're thinking is similar. Because they're all hunters and theyre savages. If i were on the island i would have supported Ralph from the start. I would support Ralph because he knew what to do and he beleived in what he was doing fromt he very first day they met on the beach. I would not have supported Jack because the first day, he was cocky and thought he should be the leader because he could reach a high c. Reaching a high c doesnt mean anything to me, it doesnt show any characteristic of leadership. When Jack started hunting he started getting popular, i dont like people who start to get popular for the wrong reasons, for example, how Jack got popular for hunting after Ralph was already popular for having the conch and being the leader. Ralph knew what to do, he had logical thinking. Jack just commands the others around and is leading a dictatorship.
I think the purpose they do the dance, is because they feel more free and becuse it shows the more savage side of themselves. I think the chanting might build Jack's and the rest of the savages confidence. This might help make them think that they will be able to kill the beast. They might have been dancing and chanting because they were afraid of the beast. They might have thought by doing these things it might help him and the others get over this fear. If I had to choose which side I would be on it would be Ralph. I would choose Ralph because he seemed to be worried more about the well being of everybody else, rather then having fun. He also wanted to be rescued.
Trevor Stratton
3rd hr.
I think the purpose of dancing and chanting is to kind of scare away there fears. If there loud and abnoxious then they might feel like nothing could over come them. I believe that is also shows authority in Jack's position. Like he came up with it so you do it and it guarentees a kill. I'm not sure if I would have supported Ralph or Jack. I would have known that I should be fallowing Ralph but I might have followed Jack because I have a slight tendancy to make stupid decions.
When Jack provokes all the boys in encouragment to scream "Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!" he was attempting to do many things. One thing is that he was successfully tearing the boys from their at least somewhat civilized behavior to savage and barbaric ways. He also struck so much fear in each of their hearts, it lead to excitment and reactions that proved to be deadly. By doing this, Jack does secure his position as chief. The boys were so scared and confused about this "beast" and he did not waste a second before he took advantage of it and lead by using using exciting celebration tactics like the feast as well as chants and dances. I think that if I was on the island, I would follow Ralph as leader for many reasons. Although he is not the most exciting and fun leader, he makes more rationalized decisions. The boys were all so young and confused that it was difficult for them to differentiate between Jack's fun but irrational and dangerous leadership tactics from Ralph's not as fun but civilized and rational decisions.
Emma Flynn
I think that singing and dancing shows that there celebrating something important. through out the book the boys have developed many different rituals. Which they celebrate most of them. i believe chanting can overcome fear. The boys make themselves think they are doing something against this evil. It makes them think differently and sometimes do things they don't mean to do. when the boys dance they think about other stuff and just have fun. If i was on the island i would vote for Ralph. Just because jack doesn't really seem like he would be a good leader. and Ralph is the oldest he includes everyone were i really don't think jack did.
I think that singing and dancing shows that there celebrating something important. through out the book the boys have developed many different rituals. Which they celebrate most of them. i believe chanting can overcome fear. The boys make themselves think they are doing something against this evil. It makes them think differently and sometimes do things they don't mean to do. when the boys dance they think about other stuff and just have fun. If i was on the island i would vote for Ralph. Just because jack doesn't really seem like he would be a good leader. and Ralph is the oldest he includes everyone were i really don't think jack did.
I think the reason for the chanting & dancing is to get them excited, and ready to attack. There trying to over gome the beast, they need to be able to tell themselves that they can do it. Jack feels like there all in his tribe because there following what he told them to do. If I was on the island i probably would have supported Raplh. Ralph wanted to get rescued, but jack wanted to hunt. I probably wouldnt go out there and try and kill something. I would have been trying to find ways to get rescued.
I think that the purpose of dancing and chanting is to help make sure that Jacks position of chief is safe. If Jack keeps showing the boys that they can have fun when he is ruling then i think the boys will want him to stay chief.When Jack and the othere boys put on their masks they dont think normally they get an adrenalin rush from the killing and think that they are having fun. If i were on the island would most likely support Ralph because al he wants to do is be rescued and keep every one safe, Jack is just trying to have fun. I dont think that they should be putting on face paint and running around playing in such a way that people get hurt. They should be more conserned about being safe and trying to be rescued.
I think jack encourages them to sing and dance for a couple of reasons. First off i think it is to overcome fear. I think jack himself might be scared at times. Dancing and singing while killing is getting their minds of the actual kill. I think if you go back to the beggining of the book jack couldnt kill a pig at first. I think he was afraid too. He realized he would have to get his mind off killing. Also i think it secures his position as chief because he allows everyone to have fun as it seems. They think that dancing and singing is fun but they dont realize what they are doing. If i was on the island i would definatly supported ralph because he was the one who cared about being rescued. All jack cared about was hunting and the beast. If i was on the island i would want to get the hell off and i think ralph was the only one who cared.
Blanz
2nd
I think the purpose of the chanting and dancing is to secure his position as chief as well as overcome fear. So far, the boys have feared the "beast" and are terrified of it. I think the dancing and chanting kind of pumps them up and boosts their confidence of killing the "beast." When Jack paints his face, he feels like another person. He feels seperate from himself as too when he has no face paint. The face paint kind of puts him in the zone for hunting. If I were on the island, I think I would support Ralph. I would be older than most of the kids on the island, and would be more interested in surviving rather than playing in the water. If I was younger, I would have probably supported Jack because his way would definitely have been more fun than Ralphs.
Cody K
I believe the purpose of dancing and chanting is to make them feel excitemnet and victory. Because they've been alone on the island for so long, they havent had much success with much of anything, so they feel a dance would give them hope. If i was on the island,I would of supported jack. Even though the dance seems barbaric and cruel, i think i would feel a little different towards survival. For example, In the beggining,piggy was shy about speaking his ideals towards the group because he thought they would be okay if he just shut up, well after a while he began to change because of the realization of their situation. So i think i would think the same way if life and death were so close. I think a life and death situation where hope, hunger, and frustration are involved, can change a person's personality.
To me, the boys chant and dance because they are slowly resorting back to their primitave ways. The need to survive has overshadowed the need for civilized behavior. They may may also do this because it makes them feel more powerful over another being's life. having the power to kill these pigs makes the boys feel some what god like, and much more in control of nature. Dancing and chanting may sort of play a role in that closness to the natural world. If i were on the island, i hope that i would stick with ralph, but even the most civilized boys in the group kind of turned and favored their animalistic side. I would hope that i could keep a level head and keep in tune with my moral values, but when put in that situation, my preiorties would change, and those things wouldn't be as important to me.
I think that the purpose of the dancing and chanting is to show that Jack is in control. Also it shows that jack's tribe makes up their own rules and rituals, such as acting like savages, putting on face paint and dancing and chanting. Another reason for the dancing and chanting could be to make the tribe think that the dancing and the chanting keep the beast away. Jack has the tribe say "kill the beast! Cut its throat! Spil his blood" to pump them up for the next hunt like they do for pep rallies. If I was on the island i would take Ralph's side of the island. I would take his side because he is rational when he makes decisions. Also because his decisions are fair and they look out for everyone in the group.
I think the purpose of chanting is to show that you are not afraid of anything and to show your dominance. Its just like in the army when they yell Huuraaa. Or in ancient Greece when then Spartans chanted to discourage and intimidate there opponent. This also happens in sports before the game when they make cheers and pump up sayings. Chanting and dancing may be a way to overcome fear because it clears your mind and eases you of tension and butterflies. I think that Jack is becoming more like a dictator and he he is forcing the kids to do the dances and chants. If i was on the island i would probably go with Jack. Just because i am known to live for the moment and his side of the island seems like more fun.
Taylor Wattles
2nd
By chanting, I believe that Jack is trying to "pump up" all of the boys. This is the same thing that happens at almost all live events. "Who?!? PISTONS! WHO?!? PISTONS!!!! WHOOOOOOHH!" I believe that these chants can get adrenaline flowing. This causes people to become stronger physically and emotionally. If I was on the island, I would support Ralph because he has the most rational thinking. I believe that Ralph has been able to get more done than Jack would have ever been able to do. Ralph knows that everybody wants to go back home, while Jack only thinks in the now. Ralph is the better person to support.
The purpose of the dancing and chanting is to control the boys and get them to follow Jack's order. If Jack has the boys all wroked up an excited, he can then lead them to do as he says. In so many words, it does secure is poistion as leader for the group that follows him. The purpose is also to over come fear. The boys act savage-like because they are afraid, and are resorting to hysteria and acting irrational. It is difficult to think with a clear mind when you are extremly afraid and desperate. If I was on the island I definitley would have supported Ralph. Ralph has reason and thought. He knows what is important in order to get rescued. It seems Jack isn't concerned with getting rescued at all as much as he just wants to hunt and kill. The fact that the other boys even want to act savage says it all right there. How can you function is something that is complete chaos? Ralph is a better leader, therefore I would support him over Jack.
Megan Kastelen
2nd hour
I think that the purpose of their chanting and dancing is to overcome fear and secure jacks position as cheif. Their dancing and chanting is like a ritual because they killed the pigs so it shows their power. If their scared you wouldn't be able to tell because they look like their fine dancing and chanting, its kind of decieving. I believe their Dancing and chanting was also to secure Jacks position by showing he can lead them in doing this and wont back down or be scared. If i were on the island i would definitly choose Ralph as cheif. Ralph is a much better leader, he is focoused on being rescued instead of just having fun. Jack does everything he can to make it easier to be found hile Jack is putting face paint on and running around like idiots. I would way rather get saved from the island quicker than have fun and not worry about it.
John Kent
10-14-09
I think the purpose of the dance is to show what power they have as a group. It is a way to release primal instincts. It also sounds like fun for the boys. Additionally, it is to overcome fear because as a group they could overcome any enemy. Since Jack encouraged the dance, it makes his position as chef stronger. If I were on the island I would be in Ralph’s tribe because he is the better leader. To me, Jack has lost all common sense.
I think the purpose of chanting and dancing is to secure Jack as chief. I have noticed the pattern in the boys behavior so far, they seem to develop rituals and practice them. Jack is trying to convince the boys if he was chief they will have fun and not have to worry. If I were on the island I would be all for Ralph. He is being more rational and thinking about everyone on the island's well being. Even though it is important to get off the island and find better health, it is also important to have fun. Jack just wants to have fun, and that could be good for a little while but Ralph is thinking about the long term and that is more important.
I think the purpose of the dancing and chanting is to get them read to 'kill the beast'. I also think its to make sure the power is within one person. Which is jack. So by seeing everyone doing one he wants it makes in feel like the power is held within him and not Ralf. By chanting and dancing i think it kind of makes there thoughts of fear leave them, and they are more excited than scared. I probably would have picked Ralph because hes more abouit trying to get off the island and he cares more about what everyone else wants instead of hiself. I wouldn't have supported jack because he cares mostly about having fun and controling everyone else.
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